NO-stop testing EVERYONE unless diagnosis needed to TREAT! LTC staff AND residents still getting the nasal rape 2 x week regardless if you are twice recovered 4 x jabbed and NO SYMPTOMS. REsidents STILL being tossed into isolation for + PCR with NO SYMPTOMS despite 4x jabbed. This is RIDICULOUS and I wish you and Zdogg would shed light on how we are ALSO horribly mistreating our seniors out of "an abundance of caution" despite NOT A SINGLE PERSON ASKING IF the person WANTS to be nasal raped and isolated! CMS and FOR PROFIT nursing homes will continue to isolate residents and staff to Cover their ASS for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Oh and the residents can't understand anyone in their N95's either. But all for "their own good". Seeing increased deaths again NOT from or WITH covid but from depression/malnutrition when they quit eating from depression and constant threats that everything will be arbitrarily ripped away
Yeah. That's definitely how my daughter felt. She missed the best week of school (end of the year) plus her friend's birthday party.
My question is - we used to have a policy of 24 hours after fever breaks, you can go back to school because you're not contagious anymore..... But she tested positive via antigen test for another 7 days. So is the CDC going to revisit that rule? Presumably you'd get the same results for the flu or other virus if you had antigen tests for them - people would continue to be positive well after their fever breaks.....
Literally my day right now. Preschooler who already had Covid in January is excluded today for 5 days and will need to wear a mask for days 6-10 (and yes, they all nap and eat together). Only way to stay in school is if the child gets fully vaccinated -for which we have zero studies proving it is beneficial/safe for kids that have already had it. This worn out mom has had enough!! The goal posts just keep moving…
You always have the best stuff that I can share with people who don’t seem to get it. Maybe I just have the wrong friends. LOL. Thanks for all your amazing work, VP.
Schools should have used the money directed at them to improve ventilation and to install UVC lamps in common areas. Improved ventilation has always been a very good thing reducing classroom CO2 levels improves alertness. The lamps are eyesafe and reduces all airborne pathogens. From appearances the money went to many other things, not the health of children. Is is OK to be mad?
Amen VP! The biggest question is why do people care about testing? Testing kids or testing in general..does anyone care? I would HOPE that your friend (or anyone else) does not require any preschool kid get tested if they have the sniffles....but I've asked myself this time and time again with 4 kids ranging in ages from preschool to HS in our house....WHY are parents choosing to test??!! WHY??!! Will it change your behavior? It shouldn't! If you have a resp. virus or your kid does & feels sick stay away from people! Common sense! Will it change treatment, especially if its a healthy child with the sniffles or a sore throat? Nope! Do what you normally do...common sense! We had a family member with Flu-Rona in our house in January. That person stayed away from the rest of us...we all felt fine, no testing necessary...everyone was sent to school & the sick family member stayed in the basement! Several other times this year someone in our family had a sore throat....if it was bad they stayed home from school & we told the school our child did not feel well & was staying home. No test necessary & the least info to them the better. Its more of a weird mental thing...people forget what 2019 & prior was like....its time to go back to common sense. If your kid had a fever and flu like symptoms but did not require urgent medical care....you kept them home & never felt the need to rush them to the MD for a "flu test" just to prove how crappy they felt & somehow satisfy your crazy desire to know. How dumb. Its time to move back to common sense & shame on the policy makers for inappropriately pushing testing on everyone for ANY time you suspect you feel sick and consequently making so many people now feel pressured to test or that its somehow "normal". Its not normal. Its time to move on.
Honestly, I'd rather take the weekly covid test if it means not getting a third shot. Luckily we had that option at my workplace, and if vaccine requirements come back I'll take the weekly nose-rapes. We also have a special covid sick pay that doesn't eat into our regular sick pay, so the silver lining is if I have to miss work because I test positive I'll enjoy some paid time off.
Still find it hilarious how many super masking, triple-vaxxed people at my workplace are catching covid and having to stay home.
I got my two jabs last spring. Had to stay home for 8 days because of flu-like symptoms. Will never get the covid vax again unless they come out with something different.
Caught covid over the holidays, felt mildly sick for one day. I never mask anymore unless required to at the clinic.
On a side note, there are still places here in Los Angeles requiring proof of vaccination. Insanity.
Please please write/do a video in response to this from the cdc website!! I copied a while section but read the first paragraph then the last one about cdc not trusting prior infection studies given they are not RCT and observational…
“ Available evidence shows that fully vaccinated individuals and those previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 each have a low risk of subsequent infection for at least 6 months. Data are presently insufficient to determine an antibody titer threshold that indicates when an individual is protected from infection. At this time, there is no FDA-authorized or approved test that providers or the public can use to reliably determine whether a person is protected from infection.
The immunity provided by vaccine and prior infection are both high but not complete (i.e., not 100%).
Multiple studies have shown that antibody titers correlate with protection at a population level, but protective titers at the individual level remain unknown.
Whereas there is a wide range in antibody titers in response to infection with SARS-CoV-2, completion of a primary vaccine series, especially with mRNA vaccines, typically leads to a more consistent and higher-titer initial antibody response.
For certain populations, such as the elderly and immunocompromised, the levels of protection may be decreased following both vaccination and infection.
Current evidence indicates that the level of protection may not be the same for all viral variants.
The body of evidence for infection-induced immunity is more limited than that for vaccine-induced immunity in terms of the quality of evidence (e.g., probable bias towards symptomatic or medically-attended infections) and types of studies (e.g., observational cohort studies, mostly retrospective versus a mix of randomized controlled trials, case-control studies, and cohort studies for vaccine-induced immunity). There are insufficient data to extend the findings related to infection-induced immunity at this time to persons with very mild or asymptomatic infection or children.”
A preprint recently dropped that has me digging into my storage closet for my leftover N95's and wanting a full respiration suit. It measures the thing that matters: Outcomes. "All-cause mortality," and other disorders, across a large cohort (US veterans).
Summary: There is no herd immunity because there is no individual immunity. Each time you face the virus, you roll the dice. While your first encounter with the disease is (quite obviously) the greatest danger of dying from COVID "proper," ancillary problems caused by the virus do NOT seem to similarly decrease. In fact, for those veterans at 3+ infections, their odds of severe outcomes start to increase.
This same group published a 1 infection vs. 0 infection study in April of 2021. This is an update that compares the stats across 2 and 3 infections, as well. The outcomes are ... depressing, frankly. Would love to have Dr. Vinay Prasad's take on it ...
NO-stop testing EVERYONE unless diagnosis needed to TREAT! LTC staff AND residents still getting the nasal rape 2 x week regardless if you are twice recovered 4 x jabbed and NO SYMPTOMS. REsidents STILL being tossed into isolation for + PCR with NO SYMPTOMS despite 4x jabbed. This is RIDICULOUS and I wish you and Zdogg would shed light on how we are ALSO horribly mistreating our seniors out of "an abundance of caution" despite NOT A SINGLE PERSON ASKING IF the person WANTS to be nasal raped and isolated! CMS and FOR PROFIT nursing homes will continue to isolate residents and staff to Cover their ASS for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Oh and the residents can't understand anyone in their N95's either. But all for "their own good". Seeing increased deaths again NOT from or WITH covid but from depression/malnutrition when they quit eating from depression and constant threats that everything will be arbitrarily ripped away
"And if you have it, we will screw up your life."
Yeah. That's definitely how my daughter felt. She missed the best week of school (end of the year) plus her friend's birthday party.
My question is - we used to have a policy of 24 hours after fever breaks, you can go back to school because you're not contagious anymore..... But she tested positive via antigen test for another 7 days. So is the CDC going to revisit that rule? Presumably you'd get the same results for the flu or other virus if you had antigen tests for them - people would continue to be positive well after their fever breaks.....
Literally my day right now. Preschooler who already had Covid in January is excluded today for 5 days and will need to wear a mask for days 6-10 (and yes, they all nap and eat together). Only way to stay in school is if the child gets fully vaccinated -for which we have zero studies proving it is beneficial/safe for kids that have already had it. This worn out mom has had enough!! The goal posts just keep moving…
You always have the best stuff that I can share with people who don’t seem to get it. Maybe I just have the wrong friends. LOL. Thanks for all your amazing work, VP.
2 thumbs up Vinay
Schools should have used the money directed at them to improve ventilation and to install UVC lamps in common areas. Improved ventilation has always been a very good thing reducing classroom CO2 levels improves alertness. The lamps are eyesafe and reduces all airborne pathogens. From appearances the money went to many other things, not the health of children. Is is OK to be mad?
Amen VP! The biggest question is why do people care about testing? Testing kids or testing in general..does anyone care? I would HOPE that your friend (or anyone else) does not require any preschool kid get tested if they have the sniffles....but I've asked myself this time and time again with 4 kids ranging in ages from preschool to HS in our house....WHY are parents choosing to test??!! WHY??!! Will it change your behavior? It shouldn't! If you have a resp. virus or your kid does & feels sick stay away from people! Common sense! Will it change treatment, especially if its a healthy child with the sniffles or a sore throat? Nope! Do what you normally do...common sense! We had a family member with Flu-Rona in our house in January. That person stayed away from the rest of us...we all felt fine, no testing necessary...everyone was sent to school & the sick family member stayed in the basement! Several other times this year someone in our family had a sore throat....if it was bad they stayed home from school & we told the school our child did not feel well & was staying home. No test necessary & the least info to them the better. Its more of a weird mental thing...people forget what 2019 & prior was like....its time to go back to common sense. If your kid had a fever and flu like symptoms but did not require urgent medical care....you kept them home & never felt the need to rush them to the MD for a "flu test" just to prove how crappy they felt & somehow satisfy your crazy desire to know. How dumb. Its time to move back to common sense & shame on the policy makers for inappropriately pushing testing on everyone for ANY time you suspect you feel sick and consequently making so many people now feel pressured to test or that its somehow "normal". Its not normal. Its time to move on.
Honestly, I'd rather take the weekly covid test if it means not getting a third shot. Luckily we had that option at my workplace, and if vaccine requirements come back I'll take the weekly nose-rapes. We also have a special covid sick pay that doesn't eat into our regular sick pay, so the silver lining is if I have to miss work because I test positive I'll enjoy some paid time off.
Keep the wisdom coming.
Still find it hilarious how many super masking, triple-vaxxed people at my workplace are catching covid and having to stay home.
I got my two jabs last spring. Had to stay home for 8 days because of flu-like symptoms. Will never get the covid vax again unless they come out with something different.
Caught covid over the holidays, felt mildly sick for one day. I never mask anymore unless required to at the clinic.
On a side note, there are still places here in Los Angeles requiring proof of vaccination. Insanity.
Please please write/do a video in response to this from the cdc website!! I copied a while section but read the first paragraph then the last one about cdc not trusting prior infection studies given they are not RCT and observational…
“ Available evidence shows that fully vaccinated individuals and those previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 each have a low risk of subsequent infection for at least 6 months. Data are presently insufficient to determine an antibody titer threshold that indicates when an individual is protected from infection. At this time, there is no FDA-authorized or approved test that providers or the public can use to reliably determine whether a person is protected from infection.
The immunity provided by vaccine and prior infection are both high but not complete (i.e., not 100%).
Multiple studies have shown that antibody titers correlate with protection at a population level, but protective titers at the individual level remain unknown.
Whereas there is a wide range in antibody titers in response to infection with SARS-CoV-2, completion of a primary vaccine series, especially with mRNA vaccines, typically leads to a more consistent and higher-titer initial antibody response.
For certain populations, such as the elderly and immunocompromised, the levels of protection may be decreased following both vaccination and infection.
Current evidence indicates that the level of protection may not be the same for all viral variants.
The body of evidence for infection-induced immunity is more limited than that for vaccine-induced immunity in terms of the quality of evidence (e.g., probable bias towards symptomatic or medically-attended infections) and types of studies (e.g., observational cohort studies, mostly retrospective versus a mix of randomized controlled trials, case-control studies, and cohort studies for vaccine-induced immunity). There are insufficient data to extend the findings related to infection-induced immunity at this time to persons with very mild or asymptomatic infection or children.”
A preprint recently dropped that has me digging into my storage closet for my leftover N95's and wanting a full respiration suit. It measures the thing that matters: Outcomes. "All-cause mortality," and other disorders, across a large cohort (US veterans).
Summary: There is no herd immunity because there is no individual immunity. Each time you face the virus, you roll the dice. While your first encounter with the disease is (quite obviously) the greatest danger of dying from COVID "proper," ancillary problems caused by the virus do NOT seem to similarly decrease. In fact, for those veterans at 3+ infections, their odds of severe outcomes start to increase.
This same group published a 1 infection vs. 0 infection study in April of 2021. This is an update that compares the stats across 2 and 3 infections, as well. The outcomes are ... depressing, frankly. Would love to have Dr. Vinay Prasad's take on it ...
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1